somewhat of a new approach by him. and i call it into the fringe zone. your thoughts. >> yeah, i mean, he certainly is representing the point of view of a very extreme minority when he starts espousing this, you know, black helicopter kind of stuff. you've certainly heard that coming from the gun lobby before. i don't know if it's ever come as directly from wayne lapierre, but, again, it certainly exposes his real agenda here, which is not to have a constructive conversation about what we can do to prevent gun violence, but to at all costs, with any means necessary to promote the gun industry. >> well, i think it exposes his desperation on this issue. >> that's the hope. >> now, the lawmakers that i talked to say that you're not going to get -- you're not going to get the assault weapons ban. that the filibuster rule, if you had 51 votes, you could probably get it. now that it's the 60 rule, it's not going to happen.